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Dash Recovering
Dec 30th, 2019 at 6:35pm
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As the dash gets older, everyone will be making the decision to spend a lot of money, take on the challenge of recovering or live with it.

I have decided to take on the challenge.

Below is a good thread on the subject, unfortunately the pictures are no longer available  Sad

https://www.944online.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1393556446/0

What glue to use seems to be an open question:
- WELDWOOD Contact Cement (used by YZF_rider_84)
- BARGE (mentioned by Dave W)
- ARMAFLEX 520 (mentioned by OhioTom)
- ARMAFLEX 520 BLV - Black - Low VOC (found while searching)
- HH-66 Vinyl Cement (found while searching)

Anyone's experience would be appreciated.

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Re: Dash Recovering
Reply #1 - Dec 30th, 2019 at 7:09pm
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Hey Bill.. Glad to see you..!

I recovered mine about 2 years ago with a kit from Classic 9 Leather and it's been holding just fine using Weldwood Contact Cement. I picked up a can and a paint brush at Lowes. I found the key was to have enough weight (beanbags or sandwich bags with sand, etc) to hold down the material for adhesion and a few clamps.. Go slow and do it in small sections. Also let the glue on the dash start to get tacky before laying the material and have a hairdryer/heat gun to stretch the material.. be careful not to burn it.
Sorry I did document my work, but having trouble finding the pictures.

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Re: Dash Recovering
Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 5:33am
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Literally in the middle of refinishing my dash using the Classic 9 kit.  I've removed the dash, stripped the vinyl, and removed and filled the cracks.  The vent trim is sitting in the garage drying (went with flat black).

For glue, Classic 9 recommended Weldwood Landau.  I bought a gallon can a couple months ago when I started redoing my interior, and I've used it to replace the headliner, reglue some of the padding, and to recover both the sunroof panel and rear panel.  Works great.  See post #18 by Classic 9 in the thread titled "Dash Recover Kit now Available" on Rennlist's 924/931/944/951/968 Forum (sorry, new user so can't post URLs).

For filler, I went with Evercoat 411.  It's flexible, and spreads easily and smoothly. 

Tomorrow, I'll cut out the foam for the trim piece, attach the underlayment, then start the recovering process.  Will probably do a detailed post on Rennlist with pics in the future, but can answer any questions to this point in the process.
  
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Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2020 at 2:47pm
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You guys are better than me. Someday I'll tackle the dash (but not today)...
  

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Reply #4 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 4:17am
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Just posted a PDF on Rennlist with the process I followed recovering my dash over the past week.

Link to Dash Recover PDF
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 2:25pm
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Both are very nice.  Thanks for sharing.


Do you think the layer of foam can be skipped?
  

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Reply #6 - Jan 4th, 2020 at 7:16pm
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I did it because Classic 9 (who does this for a living) does it (and it was included with the kit.)

What I lack is experience in doing it without the foam.  Obviously, the attention to detail required would be more important, and no idea how it would hold up in the long term (anyone with experience?)

From an old Rennlist post of theirs:
"The way I do it is by removing the vinyl to expose the bare foam. Fill the cracks with a flexible filler. I use one made by Evercoat. Its two part similar to body filler. Sand and finish it just like any other body panel. Feather the edges where the repair meets the undamaged area.
Then I cut away the foam surrounding the defroster vents to fit the trim piece and drill the holes for mounting.
Then I add a layer of one eighth inch polyethylene foam over the entire surface and sand it to meet the original contours. This will cover any imperfections left from the refinishing and give the new material a smooth surface on which to "ride" as it expands and contracts with temperature changes.

This is the same material and process now used by many OEMs including Porsche.

I use Weldwood HHR professional grade contact cement that holds up to heat and temperature changes. Despite this, the sun will always take its toll on a leather dash. All it takes is a few days sitting in the sun unprotected with the windows up.

I'd recommend vinyl in warm climates."
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 10th, 2020 at 3:28am
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I got lucky and found an upholstery guy wiling to take the job on for $450 with an early dash which is much harder than a late dash. He had some trouble stretching around the curves and didn't know exactly how to do the defroster vents, but it came out pretty nice. He just put down foam padding and applied the vinyl over it. He said it was the hardest job he every did, he almost quit 3 times, and will never do one again for any price. If I hadn't let him do the seats too he would have quit. I tried removing all the original plastic, foam filler in cracks and using that hard dash stuff in the can, but it was extremely hard to sand smooth so I had to go find another dash in the wrecking yard to cover. Classic9 over the original dash would be the way to go if I had it to to over again.
  

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Re: Dash Recovering
Reply #8 - Jan 23rd, 2020 at 5:12pm
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As mine is also an early style, no easy task ahead.

Anyone that has peeled the vinyl off of a dash will have experienced the varied results.
The top side where the sun hits it will require applying heat to soften the brittle parts.
These sections will come off with more than just the vinyl.
The lower portion of the dash will peel rather easily with "clean" vinyl.

I am thinking the difference is the glue peeling off or not.
Any of the shiny areas left on the padding would be the glue.

Reading somewhere that old glue will contaminate the new glue being applied, I'm planning on removing/sanding all of it off.
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 12:33am
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You guys are much more adventurous than me. After speaking with Bill, I sent an email to Werk924 in Germany this evening for some information/pricing options.

  

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Reply #10 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:41pm
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pfarah77 wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 12:33am:
You guys are much more adventurous than me. After speaking with Bill, I sent an email to Werk924 in Germany this evening for some information/pricing options.



It's going to be $1,500 USD plus shipping from Germany. Sad
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 10:23pm
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Dave W wrote on Jan 25th, 2020 at 6:41pm:
It's going to be $1,500 USD plus shipping from Germany. Sad


A Tax Expert needs to explain how the 19% VAT included in the pricing would be handled on the purchase from Germany to USA.

Included or excluded - the price is still substantial.

Would be good to know the correct answer.
  

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Reply #12 - Jan 25th, 2020 at 11:01pm
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Price from Werk924 is $1,599.00 shipped to my door.
  

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Reply #13 - Mar 20th, 2020 at 6:05pm
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Slow progress.

Peeled all the vinyl and cleared off any remaining glue.
The cracks have been channeled for filling.

Since the defroster vents are a big challenge to recover, fabrication options of an insert piece are being explored based on what is available/used on the later dash.

Examples below:
  

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